Bob and Brad the two most famous physical therapist on the Internet, [ Music, ], speak the truth. My folks, I’m Bob Shrum physical therapist, rad Hynek physical therapist is we have the most famous physical therapist on the internet. In our opinion, of course, Bob’s again we are joined by someone Brad.
If you wanted to do some Chris, the pharmacist I’ve known Chris for 25 or 30 years now – and he is the man we go to to get some real good scientific information about this topic. What the authorities – this is the guy this I would say, semi genius right now, or would you say, full genius yeah, let’s lower the bar, all right Kay we’re going to talk about the harms of marijuana / THC on the young brain. So this is a very important topic, obviously, as things become legalized, and we want to make sure we explore it fully right and all three of us have children adult well adult children crystal has yeah. We can relate to this at a personal level right by the way, if you’re new to our Channel.
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What’s the big deal and it’s been around, you know back in the 60s. It seems like it really got. You know popular right exposed to the public and in the media, especially and also at the same time, there’s a questioner how you can justify it as it’s becoming medically legitimate, they’re, saying it’s legal medically in some states. Now it’s a good painkiller, there’s some research being done with cancer and that kind of thing, but we need get this all cleared up right.
So let’s go on, of course in authority right well, you know I mean at the end of the day I mean people smoke marijuana to get high. I mean it’s, it’s recreational use, so I mean, I think, that’s the area that that’s probably the area that we’ll focus on, because that’s where the danger really realized – and you know kids are gonna, be kids, and I think it’s just something that you know as Parents we want to make sure that we give them the best possible information we can and as far as marijuana THC, which is the active component which it gets to that high effect, is something that’s actually probably very, very dangerous to a developing brain. And there are actually some pretty decent studies.
That’s show pretty eloquently why it’s a bad thing. There’s a you know: the brain doesn’t stop developing until about 25 years old, so I guess even really alcohol use, which is also dangerous for a lot of different reasons, but we’ll we won’t sidebar that too much, but it probably shouldn’t even drink until you’re 25. So we would take something like marijuana THC. It really does affect the teenagers brains. So there’s a lot that happens between 12 and 17 and continues to happen around 25. But there’s that magic spot right in there, where there’s just lots happening in the brain sure and when you smoke marijuana. What happens? Is you get these chemicals?
It makes you feel funny and high and all these silly kind of things, but it actually really stunts brain development and and those risks that happen are just really traumatic. I mean the high rates for depression. Anxiety are huge off the Richter scale. I mean we’re talking on. You know normal population, it’s between anywhere from depending on the state like like 15. Maybe 20 percent of people will suffer from it. Without you know, adding any risks. I mean it’s now, you’re walking right without a net. You add marijuana to the frame and a young developing brain, and you know it increases that risk fivefold.
So I mean so it’s a much higher and not just you know little bits of depression or anxiety, but lots where it’s actually very, very clinically significant. So it’s requiring prescriptions is watching out, for you know things as dangerous is suicide, so I mean it’s something that we have to be very, very careful with. So that’s funny, because I do I’m sorry bro. I I just a friend of my sons who smoked marijuana and it I mean just happened to be that he does have a huge issues with anxiety and depression. Oh yeah, I mean I, I know that’s a one case of one right. It’S just interesting, observe up up front, oh yeah, so but you’re talking about studies that reveal this yeah.
Clearly yeah and I mean you can go, there’s study after study that shows it very clearly and actually the the things that are really most damaged. So the younger and the frequency of use dictate the amount of damage later down the road. Okay. So that’s what we’re really that’s the take-home. So if you get a 12 13 14 15 year-old kid, that’s using this and using it habitually. You know it’s something that we have to be super careful with, because their risk for anxiety, depression like that, what they show permanently off them, you know, is you’re there. You’re gong to have problems, and you know just to kind of jump it around.
There’s a study in Norway that actually had a twin study which was kind of interesting, and it was a small study. So I I don’t know that you can necessarily hang your hat on it, but it’s certainly something was it brought it up, though, where you had two separate kids, one that did and one that didn’t and they were twins so so you’ve got good matches. So that’s why that’s what’s interesting about the study is it’s I mean it was an interesting study and it showed that the one that didn’t seem to be well-adjusted and fine, but there was a much higher incidence of suicidal ideation in the twin that used now.
It wasn’t real clear on how much marijuana was consumed at what ages, but they showed that you know suicidal ideation and depression and anxiety were very, very high and the ones that did compared to the twin. So I think that that’s something that, even though the study is very small, I think at least gives a window into what we have to be prepared for. So it’s something to you know as a parent. You know when none of us want our children to be explored exists right. Life is hard enough as it is. I don’t think we need to do anything to make it any more challenging. What about the thing that you will often see a marijuana use, uses and movies that say the lack of ambition? Yes or anything? Oh there’s, a lot with that yeah yeah I mean, and that goes with a lot of things that occur with the smoking of marijuana. You know when you’re talking about the developing brain, I mean it.
There’s you have the frontal cortex, where all the thinking goes on, but you have other areas, your hippocampus, where all your memories are processed. So there’s lots of really complex things happening that brain and that chemical, for whatever reason, seems to slow down your ability to you know you’re, a pathetic you’re, impulsive, so you’re likely to just you know: hey. That sounds like a good, so we’re gonna do that or you were gonna. You know we have problems with memory and recall spatial orientation so like let’s just directions to the local quick mark. You know it’s like all right. You’re gonna take two stoplights you’re gonna take a right and then the left. You know we all got it yeah, so you stoplights right and left Wilson, they’ve gone left and then two stoplights sure.
So I mean it’s something that does affect how the brain works and it’s interesting. Some of the studies actually show after a period of absence, they’re not using the product. What happens? Is it recovers a little bit, but not great, and it seems like those effects are probably permanent, so they have trouble with at a young age. So I mean you have kids, that you know you’re in school, you’re learning I mean they talk about things like verbal fluency, so, where you’re learning to use your vocabulary in different words, you kind of get stuck on. So it’s you know it’s it’s easy to make fun of, because we see in the movie – and you see these comical aspects of it, but it’s actually larger.
There’s a lot of truth and there’s a lot of very real issues that occur and so and I think what these kids do not realize, and I think we can call you know their children, our children right. You know they’re they’re, don’t realize the damage that they’re doing they’re they’re stunting their development, their stunting, their intelligence, their opening up their lives to possible really sadness, misery and anxiety, and so just for the short term games because gains because maybe societal pressures, peer pressure, hey I’M doing it so you got to do it now, you’re cool now, you’re, not I mean there’s a lot of things. It’s very hard to be a teenager and I think in this day and age is probably harder than it was one. Even when we were kids.
I think there’s so many more choices and options that are available to that. Now that it’s being legalized a lot of society, saying yeah it’s okay, now it sends mixed messages, and I think again you know I mean everybody is free to choose, but I think at least is it until that brain is 25. I think it’s you know and even then after 25 there’s still studies to show it’s not a good thing either, but there’s also aspects of marijuana use that can be good as far as pain, relief and cancer relief, seizure control. So I mean it, you know it’s a slippery slope and we have to be very, very careful, we’re gonna do them, but for the case, these are kids. That you’re talking about is basically again choosing your poison. To some extent I mean it’s gonna be a lot better to use marijuana than maybe some of the opioids. Oh yeah yeah. I mean, I would not say yeah, I mean there’s lesser evils. I mean we’re not gonna.
Tell you to go out and find some meth or find some heroin. I mean, there’s all very bad. I mean it they’re all bad. I mean let’s, let’s face it, I mean at some point or another people use it recreationally, but you know I’ve been guilty of having a beer at a local tavern, and you know it’s certainly something that you know any. My friends can certainly attest to the. How many beers I’ve had? So it’s certainly something to be aware of. I mean it, you know it’s and that’s the argument.
Quite often they make it’s like whoa, and the thing is, though, that it’s, but alcohol is bad and so is marijuana, and so we legalize they’re all bad we’re just adding to the mix there. Basically, exactly we’re talking earlier Chris and you had mentioned, there was a study on. Was it your IQ or something about your cognition, yeah yeah use without the use of marijuana marijuana and with it or the TA yeah, so they? Actually, there are some good studies that actually show that your IQ can drop as much as eight points.
So I mean I don’t have eight points to lose if there were a drug. That would give me eight to ten points, I’m all about it, but I mean when you’re going backwards, and you know you’re old and that’s one of those things where you know I don’t want to lose those eight points sure and when you’re in a developing mind It’s even more serious because the damage that you do then is probably more permanent, so we’re gonna have problems down the road, and so it’s like we want these kids to emerge and and flourish right last thing we want, I’m doing is going backwards right. We just we just can’t do that, especially when it sounds like it’s a permanent thing.
The damage is done yeah through the growing mind, and it’s not gonna correct itself like like a lot. If you’re smoking, you clean your lungs, you know to regenerate and that the case yeah I mean there is an extent with abstinence where it does get better, but it never seems to get to where that baseline is so you’ll never really get that greatness. So it’s that you once had so it’s kind of one of those things where I mean you know these kids for the most part come out and they’re perfect. You know for the most part unless there’s other mitigating factors, but you know, as all the incident you know and everyday you live, is a little bit closer day to death. So I mean it’s kinda, so why would we do anything?
That’s going make that path from A to B, more difficult, and I think, unfortunately, when a developing brain it can now you’re mentioning too that some of the doses now of marijuana are much more potent. Oh yes, what people might remember that they may have tried as a kid you know, yeah. I think what happened – and you know in the 60s and 70s and 80s we’ve had some very smart botanist out there that really know how to manipulate plant genes and they can structure. The types of I guess back of anything better say hi is that people that they can manufacture, and so it’s it’s interesting because I think there’s some medical aspects that it can be certainly researched and hopefully moved forward with some of these scientists. But at the same time, I think we have to be careful again with the age of things.
You know I and the exposure it’s it. We just have to be so careful so that the damage that we can do with the brain. I mean it’s just something that we have. You know we have to care to care. You know we were talking just a little bit ago about that they’re they’re changing genetically the plant, and I can relate to that because my my nephew just got his PhD in agronomy and he’s been literally. He tells me about Anna stories up he’s growing grass.
Actually, grass seed and they want to make the grass seed better thicken your lawn yeah, and it’s amazing what they’ve done with you know, he’s telling me about it: what they could do, yeah knowledge and decided. Well, if I can do this with grass seed I’ll, do it with these not wash you yeah, so that I can just imagine that they could really. In other words, one joint from the 60s versus one joint to be modified, the level of THC could be doubled or tripled yeah. It’s much. I don’t know that we have a straight percentage, but I think I think what you can say is that the level of THC produces a more potent high. I think you can take that to the bank sure. So from that standpoint they just understand, like I said how to manipulate the plant genes, and so in the case you know your nephew.
I mean it’s, it’s just another plant that we can manipulate genes. Are you see it all over the place? It’s you know. It’s the genetically modified organism, so I mean it’s really it’s something that you know and they’re gonna continue to do it and you know maybe even make it a better plant. I mean haven’t noticed, what’s gonna happen out there in the future, but you know I think, there’s so much research that we need to do for the safety of everybody. That’s involved. You know whether the dangers, obviously I mean, there’s, there’s respiratory illness. There’s going to be cardiac issues, you know.
Obviously the mind is what I typically focus on, but it’s certainly something we have to be very, very fair with and there’s emerging evidence. You know there’s this can’t avoid hyperemesis syndrome and it’s something that ER doctors have kind of reported and it’s an interesting article and hyperemesis is being throwing up to the points to the point where actually they dehydrate and all these other really bad things happen in the Body to the point where it can actually cause death – and I think that’s the thing that we have to take away from – I mean you know: I’m not recognized for being caused by marijuana. Well, yeah and it’s it’s being recognized now, because it’s becoming more of a hot topic, I mean it’s been missed. I think you know the problem is: is that there’s a very casual thought that marijuana is not that big of a deal, and I think it is a big deal and I think it and and it should be treated you know alcohol, I think, is actually worse
Than marijuana, if you’re gonna pick the to poisons, I mean if you look at the addictive scale, alcohol comes in well ahead of marijuana, but it’s certainly something that has its own emerging set of problems, and I think, over the next 20 years, we’re gonna See more and more of these, but going back to that that hyperemesis that throwing up there was an example of a young lady that she was 27 years old and she kind of she knew she had this and she figured well one more nights, not gonna Kill me, and so she kind of went out on, I guess, for lack of anything better to say a marijuana bender and she partook of various different foods and types of smoking, and this is at a restaurant yeah. Just restaurant I mean it’s something: that’s kind of a fad thing out west I mean, I think, you’ll see a lot in California for sure.
That’s where you know they have clever chefs that try and add this to make things at least get people through the door right. You know from that standpoint, but you know so she went through, and the takeaway is is that she ingested tons and tons of marijuana that night and it landed her in the ER and it ultimately put her in the hospital for days and the study, I believe Said three days and she nearly died, there’s a really tragic story. It’s a martyr of a 17-year old boy that you know had the same thing was vomiting, so profusely that and dehydrating and everything else that went with it. It shut down all his organs and he passed away at 17 years old. You know, and what these physicians are noticing is that it’s a that they didn’t realize that it was probably from marijuana use, and so it was being treated as stomach ailments or maybe a virus, and now near your stoop positions and they’re all sharp I mean, I Think well, for the most I mean it’s one of those things where they’re becoming more and more aware of this particular condition, and I think, as it becomes more decriminalized and more people use more of it. I think it’s, it’s simply a small example.
Yeah of I think the dangers yet to come, and so I think that’s the take-home is you know as parents as friends I mean you just want to make sure that your friends and loved ones are being taken care of. We don’t want anybody to go down. We’ve seen once on our Channel, we’ve warned people of something and they’ve emailed us later and said that, because of you vomiting well, maybe – and you know it’s just it’s a dramatic example for sure I mean – and I chose that simply because it is a dramatic example, But I mean it’s something: it’s no it’s right and it is a possibility and we’re seeing many many more people affected by it and and another friend of mine is a physician and he’s like just you.
Wait you’re gonna see any eruption of problems associated with marijuana, so respiratory cardiac, I mean obviously the mind which we kind of gravitated to through this program and so as something that I think we have to take with a grain of salt with our youth. In particular, but even as choices as adults, we have to be careful with it. I think some of the states wait long and up they’ll watch some of these other states that have legalized it they’ll start to see the issues cropping up there. Yeah. That’S it’s hard to deny the money unfortunate right, so as that’s where schools and bridges and it’s it’s crazy, I’ll become another another conundrum that our society is going to have to face right, we’ll get through it. People like Chris, our Channel can educate some people and help the help it out all right, thanks again to Chris for coming. Well done glad to do it thanks guys for watching [ Music ], you
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